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Railway Touring Company's 2017 Programme

Discussion in 'What's Going on' started by Bulleid Pacific, Oct 29, 2016.

  1. huochemi

    huochemi Active Member Friend

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    Who is bankrolling the current work on 70013? It seems a bit surprising bearing in mind their straitened circumstances that the NRM wants to go on paying the bills for 70013, even more so if they are prepared to pay £x00,000 for another overhaul.
     
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    Of course I know perfectly well that NRM are the owners but it changes nothing, your argument is going nowhere fast, Spamcan81 appears to have the right suggestion for you.
     
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    To the best of my knowledge the 5305LA bears the costs but IIRC the original overhaul was at least partly funded through an appeal connected with an earlier 1T57 anniversary.
     
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    26D_M Part of the furniture

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    As has been mentioned before, discussion forums really are not for you. Might be best to follow your own advice so as not to get too worked up old chap?
     
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    Your postings on this subject did have some merit, and those points were well made in your original remarks, but their repetition adds little. As someone who saw the original 15 Guinea Special pass my house it would be wonderful to have another re-run (especially as I still live in the same locality) but an exact recreation is impossible. It follows therefore that the best that can be achieved is a commemoration and inevitably that means a compromise based on the constraints of what is and isn't available.

    Clearly one of those limitations is that 70013 won't be participating, but it is only one of many such factors. Offhand I can't think of any railtour, especially one which involved multiple locos, which could be replicated in anything like original form.

    It would be wonderful to re-enact the anniversaries of many past events but, given the practicalities of overhauls, timing of boiler certification and the diminishing mainline loco pool the opportunities are of necessity limited.

    Please, start to accept that fact and perhaps you could then enjoy those celebrations which are available. Thanks to organisations like the NRM and the 5305 Association what we still have is considerable and well worth pursuing.
     
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    As I recall, there was a tremendous hoo-ha round about 2007/8 that it would be possible to have 70013 running on the mainline for the fortieth anniversary of the end of BR steam after a long period on the sidelines out of traffic. Ducks were lined up, fundraising arranged, restoration carried out, and the loco entered revenue-earning traffic in the middle of 2008 just in time for the 40th anniversary celebrations. But given all that and the nature of loco overhauls, having the loco available freshly overhauled for the 40th anniversary meant it was almost inevitable that it would be out of traffic for the 50th: the only way round that would have been to have withdrawn it several years ago, while it still had useful revenue-earning potential from the last overhaul, in order to get it ready again. I don't recall too many people in ca. 2008 saying "we shouldn't do this, it will inevitably compromise an event in 2018".

    The nature of anniversaries is that they will come round again: quite feasible, if steam is still on the mainline, that 70013 could be in the middle of a ticket and available for a 60th anniversary special in 2028. Equally, it is highly likely that, if 35028 is available this year to support the fiftieth anniversary of the end of Southern Steam, it quite likely won't be available ten years from now for the 60th anniversary - but I doubt many people are lining up to say the MNLPS should delay this overhaul so that it increases the chances of running in 2027, just as there weren't many people in 2008 focused on the consequences for 70013 in 2018. C'est la vie.

    Lots of other anniversaries worth commemorating, in any case. 2018 will be the 150th anniversary of the opening of St Pancras Station; 150 years since the birth of REL Maunsell ...

    Tom
     
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    I wonder if 70000 might be a possibility as substitute by this time next year?
     
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    All true, but I guess 50 is a more significant anniversary than any other that surround it by 49 years either side.

    I'm sure there's bound to be some kind of anniversary special. 4 years ago, there were two over the S&C in the same week and one of them was two Black Fives in either direction. Whatever is available at the time, I'm sure the organisers will be doing what they can.
     
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    The only reason why I express surprise and disappointment is my perception that 70013 has been sidelined for so long I made the false assumption it was being fettled with 2018 in mind. My mistake but I do think it is remiss something to bring about its availability seems to have come to fruition. I fully understand the reality that has been forcefully and often impolitely explained in this thread but I still find the apparent indifference curious.
    I do however wish to apologise for using the word 'negligent' which was too strong in hindsight.
     
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    Respect you for that.
     
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